Showing posts with label marriage. Show all posts
Showing posts with label marriage. Show all posts

Free Love, But No Lovers

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I will try to say this delicately as I'm still of the mind that certain topics are not for mixed company -- and plus, my mom might be reading. 
Among the things that make me sad about the apparently bottomless pit of unseemly revelations about our celebrities (in every field) is that for all of "free love's" promise of beautiful, healthy, unrepressed sexual experiences, the actual experiences people are having are ugly, tawdry, solipsistic, and self-ruining. Co-eds getting massively drunk to force themselves (for what reason?) to be with men they can't look at sober; and men who because of their positions wouldn't lack for willing partners, yet can't approach a woman in normal fashion -- they can only seek admiration for themselves in bizarre ways. 
I mean, forget anti-harassment training. How about just sisterly advice: she does not want to see that. Even if she likes you and wouldn't mind being seduced, she doesn't. If you were a lover and not Narcissus, you would know that.
I try to be a nice Catholic girl, so I'm not on board with extra-marital sexual expression in the first place. I think the much-mocked traditional morality does a much better job of allowing sex to be beautiful and guilt-free and life-giving in both the literal and emotional senses. But this behavior isn't merely immoral, it's inhuman and degraded. It's libido turned inward towards the self instead of outward towards the other. 
My godfather used to say that if you're going to go to hell, you should go first class. This ain't it. This is more like a vision of hell itself. And it makes me feel terribly sad.

Marcomentum Comes My Way

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I've been feeling sorry for myself for missing a Marco Rubio rally this afternoon. The location was more than an hour away and Mass ran long, so Girl Weed and I would have arrived with just about ten minutes left in the event. Campaign stops always run late, so I toyed with going anyway, and then decided it was not a prudent use of time.

Now I'm not sure whether to feel sorry or not. On the one hand, I seem to have made a good traffic choice, at least given the testimony of folks live-tweeting:


(Breitbart's take on that will be: "Rubio lies to police....")

On the other hand, it sounds like fun...
...with Rubio on his game. If you've ever watched one of his town halls or stump appearances, you know he is terrific on his feet, full of ease and light-hearted, good-natured humor, as witness this takedown of a heckler:
He's also terrific at educating voters -- not just taking positions, but explaining what is at stake. And he doesn't pander. He's matter-of-fact about what his positions are, respectful of those who disagree w/o backing down -- and he's the only Presidential candidate for many cycles who has been willing to tell voters that there are things Presidents can't do -- to respond to a question by saying, here's what I think the right approach is, but the President isn't the one to solve that -- see for example his answer on minority families here.


  


 Or, again, talking about poor families, see his answer at the CNN town hall to a public school teacher worried about her students. (I think I have it set up to start at the right place, but if not, the Q. comes around 31:55.)

 

 Will be looking for video of this afternoon's event. Wish I'd been there.

Al Mohler Comes Around

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Woah, Nellie! Dr. Albert Mohler, President of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, just gave a radio interview in which he said:
"We are clearly at a very important turning point, but you have to go back to the early twentieth century when sexual revolutionaries largely funded an effort to separate sex and procreation, and that was birth control," Dr. Mohler said.
Most Christians seem to think today that birth control was just something that came along as something of a scientific or medical development," Mohler said. "They fail to see that it was driven by moral revolutionaries who knew that you couldn’t have a moral revolution, you especially couldn’t have a sexual revolution, unless you could separate sex and babies."
Here's what he says about Evangelicals & divorce: 
Dr. Mohler, who released the new book We Cannot be Silent in October, said the second major development that undermined the family was the no-fault divorce "revolution."
In the six year period between 1977 and 1983, 39 states passed laws allowing either party to end a marriage for any reason, or no reason.
"That was massive," he said. "Evangelical Christians just didn't recognize it for what it was."
"You can't have anything like same-sex 'marriage' until you redefine marriage, eliminating it as a lifelong covenant," he said.
Yup. This is simple logic, not theology. Still, careful, Dr. Mohler! People who start noticing the Catholic Church was right all along on such questions generally end up "poping." 

Kennedy: My Decisions Are Like Those of the Third Reich

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Well, here is a new one for the annals of argument ad Hitlerum: a man compares his own side of an argument to the Third Reich. One begins to suspect Justice Kennedy is not a towering judicial intellect.

Guess It Doesn't Mean What I Think It Means

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Gay teens have higher pregnancy rates than their straight peers.   There's a LOT of psycho-babble and  LGBT cant in this story, but the bare fact is suggestive, isn't it?

Seven Quick Takes: Weekend In NY Edition

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A week or so ago I had some talks to give a little North of Manhattan, so I took Eldest Weed with me to galavant in the city with my Spies in New York, and I joined them towards the end of the weekend.  Observations, small and large.

1. Wouldn't be surprised if Eldest Weed is a New Yorker eventually. The city makes him come alive somehow. There's a sigh of satisfaction I sigh when we're in the mountains, utterly away from concrete. I heard him sigh the exact same sigh as we came out of the Battery tunnel and the Freedom Tower loomed enormous right on top of us. 

2. Don't say there are no modest men left in Manhattan. 

3. There were wonderful people in the parish where I spoke, but none the folks I spoke with during the course of an all-day workshop was married. Everyone was divorced, or in various stages of annulment. I am not saying they weren't serious Catholics or that this was a "Catholic lite" parish. It wasn't. It's a dynamic parish with a wonderful pastor, the kind of place that gives you hope. Many of the people I worked with were the kind of Christian I absolutely adore: people who have been made modest, calm and kind through suffering or failure of some kind. They understand their need for grace, their faith is true and deep, and they know how to uphold standards without being jerks about it.  Some of the folks there began to take their faith seriously precisely because their marriages failed. I am not picking on them, I'm simply observing that the disappearance of marriage is already a reality in the NE --it's not some future horrible.  Not sure what to say about this yet, I'm just thinking about it. How does one hold marriage out as a blessing and a good if no one has ever *seen* one and no one can imagine a different reality? And if the Christian community itself is not all that interested in the question, because its members are trying to be holy on a different vocational path?

How are pastors supposed to preach about marriage when even good Christians are inclined to hear their words as a rebuke and feel "left out," as if the Church views them as damaged goods?

4. The Saturday evening I drove down from my workshop to join my party in the city, I had the best driving experience in NY ever. Gorgeous day for a drive. When I departed FDR drive and turned right into the city proper, it wasn't crowded and I somehow hit the timing right such that every traffic light turned green for me as I headed South. Then I turned right onto My Spy in New York's street, and turned right into a car pulling out of a parking space where I could slip right in, a mere two blocks from her place. This was how I knew God must have been pleased with my workshop.

5. Eldest Weed & I went to Mass at St. Patrick's since he'd never been there. Alas, it's being renovated and the interior is mostly under scaffolding. He still thought it was beautiful. Cardinal Dolan was there. We saw him up close prior to the procession. Members of the NYFD were there for a blessing. The Cardinal told them their visit is one of his favorite Sundays of the year because they're the only ones who don't cough in the presence of incense. But he said the MC doesn't like it when they come because they blow out all the candles. "We can't have that, fellas." After Mass he said he understood they were having a special breakfast. "Will you have bacon? Will there be donuts? Bloody Marys?  I'm coming over!" It was charming. He gave a workmanlike homily for Good Shepherd Sunday, too, but I confess I was tired and didn't much take it in.

6. Yay Pimsleur language tapes! On the subway on the way home from Mass I overheard two gals speaking in French -- and I understood every word they said. Since I now have a hellish commute, I've been trying to pick up French via CD. I'm illiterate and probably can't conjugate any verbs, but conversationally I'm up through French II and can swallow my "r"s tolerably well -- or at any rate much better than when I first started and thought I'd never get that sound.  I am absurdly proud of myself for understanding, "Would you like to come for dinner tonight?"  "No, sorry, that's just when he arrives with his wife. Maybe tomorrow at our place?"  "Great, as long as it's in the afternoon. I'll bring the wine."

7. I let my teenage son drive me most of the way to New York. Let no one ever despise my courage. Or his.

Head over to This Ain't The Lyceum for more quick takes.

Update: I forgot to mention: there was a coyote at my Spy in Battery Park's front door Saturday morning. By which I mean an actual coyote, not a human trafficker. How does a coyote make it to the southern tip of Manhattan do you suppose?

Christian Prophecy More Necessary Than Ever

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Charlotte Allen has an op-ed in yesterday's WSJ on gay totalitarianism. First the background:
On Tuesday the Supreme Court heard oral arguments in Obergefell v. Hodges, the case that asks whether the Constitution requires states to allow same-sex couples to marry. Four days before the hearing, in Oregon, an administrative-law judge proposed a $135,000 fine against Aaron and Melissa Klein, proprietors of the Sweet Cakes bakery in Gresham, for the “emotional distress” suffered by a lesbian couple for whom the Kleins, citing their Christian belief that marriage is between a man and a woman, had declined to bake a wedding cake in 2013.
But then this jumped out at me:
Same-sex marriage wasn’t legal in Oregon [my emphasis]when the Kleins made their decision. But the couple was found to have violated a 2008 Oregon law forbidding discrimination in public accommodations on the basis of sexual orientation.
If same-sex marriage wasn't legal at the time the Kleins refused to bake the cake, I don't understand why the finding against them isn't an ex post facto law. How are they legally obligated to be more progressive than the law? 

"Prominent Catholics" Hardest Hit

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I'm sure it's only coincidence, as the Holy Father is continuing a series of Wednesday Audiences on the family, but a week after a group of known dissenters  styling themselves "Prominent Catholics" placed an ad in the San Francisco Chronicle demanding that the pope fire Archbishop Cordileone for his outrageous insistence that Catholic schools should teach Catholic doctrine on marriage and sexuality, Pope Francis delivered himself of this address on Genesis 2 and the creation of man and woman.

The whole thing is worth reading. It's sort of a summary of the main points St. John Paul brought out of the passage, mixed with Francis' folksy images. But the gist of the matter is well put in the English-language summary:

We see throughout history the fruit of this sin, especially towards women – oppression, violence and exploitation. Most recently, this mistrust and scepticism has led our culture to disregard the marriage covenant between a man and a woman, that covenant which deepens communion and safeguards the dignity of their uniqueness. When the stable and fruitful covenant between a man and a woman is devalued by society, it is a loss for everyone, especially the young. For all our sins and weaknesses, our vocation is to care for the covenant of marriage. It is a vital and energizing vocation, through which we cooperate with our heavenly Father, who himself always cares for and protects this great gift.

The Christian vocation is to defend man-woman marriage, and now is an exciting time in which to be engaged in that effort. Thus sayeth the Pontiff.

Incidentally, it's not a scientific poll, but the SFgate's reader questionnaire on whether Cordileone should stay or go is, at this writing, 80% in Cordileone's favor.  His problems at home have had the effect of preventing him from attending this weekend's March for Marriage, however. 

Speaking of which. This year's March for Marriage is April 25th at 11:30 on the national mall.  Participate virtually if you can't get to DC. 

Indiana: Sound the Alarm

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You know a tipping point has been reached when Rod Dreher & John Zmirak agree and strike the same note.  More on the astonishing reaction to Indiana's RFRA law later, but first, Dreher: Indiana, a Religious Liberty Bellwether. He does his homework, reading up on the statute and all the law professors -- including those who support gay rights and gay marriage-- who say that those freaking out about discrimination are just flat-out misinformed about what the law does.

His conclusion: things are so bad, I will even vote Republican:
The overreaction, especially the blatant lies and completely invented controversy, in which the media and big business have engaged in the past few days about Indiana and religious liberty, has been a shock to my system — this, even though I am by now used to just about anything from that side. Because religious liberty is the most important political issue to me, it is hard to imagine sitting out the 2016 presidential election, as I have done the past two times because I couldn’t stomach the Republican nominee. It is impossible to imagine voting Democratic in 2016, because the Democrats are actively committed to legislating contempt for traditional Christians like me. If even mild attempts to give minimal protection to religious dissenters is condemned as Jim Crow redux by the Democrats, it genuinely frightens me to think about what a Supreme Court dominated by Obama-Clinton justices would do.
Voting Republican is no guarantee that religious liberty would be strengthened in SCOTUS rulings in the future, but there is some hope that a GOP president would nominate justices sympathetic to religious liberty concerns. With President Hillary Clinton, or any conceivable Democrat, there is no hope at all.
Je suis le First Amendment. Indiana shows why for social and religious conservatives, 2016 is all about the Supreme Court and religious liberty. The past few days have made someone like me, a conservative independent who has little use for either party, realize that I cannot afford to be on the sidelines in 2016. Religious conservative voters must be focused like a laser on religious liberty, right now. It’s that important.

And then Zmirak:
The expected Supreme Court decision imposing on 50 states an entirely new understanding of marriage, and the frenzy of hatred that gay activists have stoked against Indiana for trying to shelter religious believers from crippling lawsuits should wake us to a cold and stark reality: The age of tolerance in America is vanishing before your eyes. The question is how Christians and other people of faith and good will are going to respond.

Unbridled Passion

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NY Mag has a feature piece on what it's like to date a horse. I think it's not satire, though I ain't gonna read it or click on it to find out.

Is this enough yet, or is there some further depravity we must celebrate?

Francis: "I Made A Mistake"

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Can't find a source more official than Raymond Arroyo's Facebook page yet, but it seems Cardinal Burke (who was quoted in the press saying it was high time for the Holy Father to clarify Church teaching in the wake of the PR fiasco accompanying this pre-Synod on the family)  got what he wanted. Money quote: 

 I made a mistake here. I said welcome: [rather] to go out and find them.
Which is precisely what I always have understood him to mean, but I am glad he said it outright to clarify. In full context: 


We will speak a little bit about the Pope, now, in relation to the Bishops [laughing]. So, the duty of the Pope is that of guaranteeing the unity of the Church; it is that of reminding the faithful of their duty to faithfully follow the Gospel of Christ; it is that of reminding the pastors that their first duty is to nourish the flock – to nourish the flock – that the Lord has entrusted to them, and to seek to welcome – with fatherly care and mercy, and without false fears – the lost sheep. I made a mistake here. I said welcome: [rather] to go out and find them.


Continuing, he made it a point to quote Pope Benedict (and Lordy I wish people who want to freak out about this Pope, or co-opt him as the case may be, would read him and note how often he recurs to Benedict): 


His [the pope's] duty is to remind everyone that authority in the Church is a service, as Pope Benedict XVI clearly explained, with words I cite verbatim: “The Church is called and commits herself to exercise this kind of authority which is service and exercises it not in her own name, but in the name of Jesus Christ… through the Pastors of the Church, in fact: it is he who guides, protects and corrects them, because he loves them deeply. But the Lord Jesus, the supreme Shepherd of our souls, has willed that the Apostolic College, today the Bishops, in communion with the Successor of Peter… to participate in his mission of taking care of God's People, of educating them in the faith and of guiding, inspiring and sustaining the Christian community, or, as the Council puts it, ‘to see to it... that each member of the faithful shall be led in the Holy Spirit to the full development of his own vocation in accordance with Gospel preaching, and to sincere and active charity’ and to exercise that liberty with which Christ has set us free (cf. Presbyterorum Ordinis, 6)… and it is through us,” Pope Benedict continues, “that the Lord reaches souls, instructs, guards and guides them. St Augustine, in his Commentary on the Gospel of St John, says: ‘let it therefore be a commitment of love to feed the flock of the Lord’ (cf. 123, 5); this is the supreme rule of conduct for the ministers of God, an unconditional love, like that of the Good Shepherd, full of joy, given to all, attentive to those close to us and solicitous for those who are distant (cf. St Augustine, Discourse 340, 1; Discourse 46, 15), gentle towards the weakest, the little ones, the simple, the sinners, to manifest the infinite mercy of God with the reassuring words of hope (cf. ibid., Epistle, 95, 1).”

It's worth reading the whole thing for the list of temptations (right and left and human) to which we are subject and his confidence in the Ignatian discernment process. 

Update: I see Arroyo is using Vatican Radio's provisional translation.

Take Heart, Catholic Peeps

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Cardinal Pell on what's REALLY happening at the Synod. Just listen.



Now ask yourself if you feel better or worse.

On the one hand, here are three reasons there was never any cause for hysteria.

1) If you're Catholic, you believe the Holy Spirit protects the Church from error in faith and morals and that the bishops of the Church teaching in union with the Holy Father will not go astray.
2) Plus, most of the guys at the Synod are solid JP II-BXVI men who were not going to simply capitulate to the culture.
3) Plus, that "relatio" document was a discussion document with no authority reaching no conclusions  at a half-way point of a synod that is a pre-meeting for the REAL meeting next year. Means zero in the long run.

However. That the orthodox bishops of the world should have to go out and try to rescue their own synod is extraordinary ... and requires explanation that is not just Vatican gossip.

"You Belong Here With Us"

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I often think people who talk about the Church and its relationship to gays don't tell the story the way I want it to be told -- they often don't speak for me. Here's a sensitive film in which gay Christians tell their own story, backed up by some professionals -- a priest, a nun, some theologians.  This is the story I want to tell. It takes thirty minutes, but well worth your time -- and watch the whole thing or you'll miss a piece of the puzzle.

Slammed For Being Open Minded

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Here's an interesting interview with State Rep. Jo Jordan, an "out" lesbian who nonetheless voted against a gay marriage bill in Hawaii because its religious liberty protections aren't strong enough. I know nothing at all about this woman beyond what's here in this interview, so I don't know if I could vote for her or not, but she is clearly a person who takes her constitutional duty seriously, who genuinely wants to represent all the people, not just those exactly like her, and who takes the time to think issues through instead of leaping. We could use a LOT more of that not only in legislatures, but in all civic discussion. Love this:
When I walked in here, I said, all I have is my integrity, to do my best I can. And I’ve kept myself grounded in that. When this issue started arising, I had to think to myself, you need to stay grounded in what your root beliefs are. I’ve won an election, and sworn to uphold the constitution of the state as well as the United States. You have an obligation to this institution. You really have to think differently, because you are being watched and it is a position that you need to respect even while sitting in your seat.

I always have taken my personal hat off, my personal beliefs away from it, and said, "Look at the substance, what is the measure, have you heard all the dialogue, have you vetted everything? Have all your questions been answered? And are you willing to make a decision for the 1.4 million people in the state?" For your constituents, but also for the whole state.

Notice that her experience is that she expected hatred from the religious groups and love from the gay groups, and found the reverse: respect and dialogue from the religious groups and hatred that she wasn't merely their pawn from the gay groups. The comments on the article are pretty awful. She's being attacked viciously simply for wanting to pause and think things through.


Paging Brett McS

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I need some good news. Is Abbott prime minister yet?

I just ran across this piece which made me nostalgic for John Howard. The background is the video at the link where the current Aussie PM plays scripture scholar with a Protestant minister who asks him how he can call himself a Christian and support gay marriage. I have kind of mixed feelings about the video. On the one hand, I don't think the pastor asked a very effective question; the answer was absolutely to be anticipated and positively invites precisely the response it drew -- and actually advances the view that only religious conviction could cause one to oppose same-sex marriage. This allows the PM to pretend he's a scripture scholar, which is a distraction from the point. On the other hand, the PM drips condescension and derision, and given he's suddenly adopted gay marriage as a cause to save his candidacy, it's as gross an instance of pandering as you'll find.

But it serves the purpose of allowing John Howard to enter as palate cleanser. In a shopping mall stumping for his party (and how cool is it that he was doing an old-fashioned stump appearance?) he was asked about gay marriage and said
"...if you're asking my view … I think this whole argument that it's marriage equality is nonsense," he said...."The present (situation) doesn't discriminate against people, it just recognises not only a long-standing attitude and custom but also recognises that anything we can do to preserve current notions of marriage are more likely on balance to provide the best environment for raising children."
Thank you. Was that so hard? All Conservative politicians watch and repeat. Common sense, about the children, no one's imposing any religion on anyone. If you are a politician (and not a preacher) and you start debating religious tenets, you are out on a limb.

Update: Brett McS comes through:  See above.

I Demand Gender Equality

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In a story I can't even follow, the Telegraph reports on Britain's efforts to de-gender the law without de-personalizing it. First the guv says they're just going to use the terms husband and wife interchangeably. But...
it then goes on to say that in future legislation the traditional male-only meaning of husband and female-only understanding of wife could make a comeback – but not in all cases.
“The term ‘husband’ will in future legislation include a man who is married to another man (but not a woman in a marriage with another woman),” it adds, confusingly.
“And 'wife' will include a woman who is married to another woman (but not a man married to another man) unless specific alternative provision is made.” 
What? It seems as if the rulemakers forsee it being useful to specify which gender a person is. I wonder why.

On another note entirely, Mr. W. frequently employs the phrase, "cloud cuckoo land," which I'd always thought he invented since I've never encountered it elsewhere. But here it is in this article. Mr. W. said he assumes he got it from Aristophanes, which seemed far-fetched to me, but lo, Wikipedia affirms him. That's the good news. The bad news is, you know who else uses the phrase "cloud cuckoo land"? Hitler.

As A Man, I Can Only Marry A Man. Because There's No Difference Between A Man & A Woman

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Read this. Welcome to the Mental Ward

What The Heck is Happening in France?

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Yesterday I posted this about the massive anti-gay marriage demonstrations continuing in France, though it's so buried you are forgiven for missing it. You should really read it though.

Multicultural demonstration against same-sex marriage on French Mother's Day

Today, an update from my spy in a Paris that turns out not be all that gay after all. My spy confirms the original report about the nature of the crowd of demonstrators:   

The participants in the manif were quite diverse, including some on the Left (in addition to French hard hats from the CGT, also young, middle class socialists), but overwhelmingly ordinary families of all stripes, with their children.  There were specific contingents from the UMP, some RBM (new name for the FN), but not in any official way, and Catholics and other religious groups  of all stripes, though the media sought out the most conservative to interview. Generally it was a huge middle class family grouping, though anarchists, as usual, came in to smash things at the end. A comédienne, "Frigide Bardjot", with dyed blonde hair, was general organizer, and tried to keep political parties at arms length; but she had many death threats after several months, and did not march on the 26th.   

The government said it was merely putting through what it had promised on its electoral platform of last year.  But this was number 32 on the platform, and it was not discussed at all during the campaign.  The Socialists did not bring it up, and the Right feared that doing so would cost points in the close election that was expected. The media stressed that polls prior to the election showed more than 50% of French favoring the law.  But after months of actual debate after the election, the points raised about rights of adoption by homosexual couples, effects on revising school manuels in primary grades, the French legal code forbidding speech considered hateful (with its effect on future discussion of this issue) had the effect of changing popular opinion to at least  54% opposed on the eve of the law's adoption.  Once presented in the National Assembly, the government imposed strict party discipline and rammed the measure through (though three Socialists risked their careers and voted against - with a similar number of the UMP doing the reverse).  
Get a load of this: 
A particular point, hardly discussed by the media, is the changed rule on determining family name subsequent to the homosexual marriage law.  Initially the law proposed that the family name of homosexual couples be hyphenated, with priority accorded alphabetically to establish the first of the hyphenated names.  But then it was pointed out that such a rule would discriminate between homosexual and heterosexual couples.  Ainsi, in good Cartesian fashion, the solution was that the same rule would apply to heterosexual couples, who also would have hyphenated names, with name priority determined according to alphabetic priority. What will happen for the second and third generations, including the alphabetic priority of four or more names, has not been discussed, as far as I know.  There may be a compromise whereby couples have the option of discussing and settling this among themselves prior to the marriage --perhaps even during the ceremony.  Bref - you may understand why perhaps more than a million people, of otherwise diverse persuasions assembled on different weekends on the Champs de Mars to give a mighty Bronx cheer à la française.
 Wait. The Socialists are defending marriage?

Jeremy Irons Earns Two Minutes' Hate

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Jeremy Irons expressed doubts about gay marriage in a recent interview.

Poor thing. I'm sure the two minutes' internet hate has begun and he's probably already been bullied into an apology. Two things surprise me in this clip. 1) An actor thinking an issue through and expressing a little hesitation, however mildly (and ultimately incoherently). 2) That Jeremy Irons isn't gay.

Irons will certainly catch hell for comparing gay marriage to incest, but before anyone tells you that's crazy talk, I'll just point out a few items.

A Political Science Professor at Columbia is defending himself against incest charges not by innocence -- he admits a three year sexual relationship with his own daughter-- but on gay marriage grounds. 

(Every time I think Columbia can't sink any lower I am wrong.)

Here are a few other links, posted without (much!) comment as simply signs of the times.

Legacy and Bergen say they are primarily upset about the counseling Shaffer offers. They say he urges students who have homosexual feelings to lead a life of celibacy.

"We Love You And We Want You To Be Happy": Scenes from the March for Marriage

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Before Triduum silence begins I wanted to post an eyewitness account of Tuesday's March for Marriage -- an effort to follow the French lead (I never thought we'd be taking moral lessons from the French -- at least not positive ones! ) and demonstrate support for traditional marriage. The timing coincided with oral argument at the Supreme Court over the constitutionality of California's Prop 8. The following day, Wednesday, the Court heard oral argument in a second marriage-related case -- this time about the constitutionality of the Defense of Marriage Act.

Marchers gathered on the Mall in front of the National History Museum, marched up to the Court and past it, then came down the other side of the mall back to the original spot for a rally.

Marchers on the way to SCOTUS, shamelessly pinched from here.

I wasn't able to be there early enough to march. I arrived at the rally spot before the crowd returned from the Court, but friends I met up with told the same tale as described here: that marriage supporters vastly outnumbered the marriage re-definers.
Both sides of the debate were out in force, with Christian opponents easily outnumbering advocates for gay marriage.
The Daily Mail story focuses on one particularly strident gay marcher so as to make the demonstration seem violent and more colorful than it was, but folks on both sides were well-behaved -- though weirdos love a demonstration, don't they? I had this sickening thought Monday evening when trying to decide whether it was worthwhile to attend the March that Westboro Baptist (an anti-gay hate group for you non-Americans) would show up and the press would make it seem as if all the marriage defenders were of a piece with them. Well, they did show up, but fortunately the gay marriage protestors surrounded and isolated them from the rest, so their impact was minimal.

Tell you what? If you agree that Westboro Baptist is an outlier not representing the typical marriage defender, I'll agree that this guy doesn't speak for everyone on the other side. 
 AFP/Getty images, shamelessly pinched from here.

I had mixed feelings about the March for Marriage. It's important not to be cowed into silence on an issue of such importance for plain old civilization, and there's a place for public manifestations to stand for principles.

What left me uncomfortable was marching on the day of oral arguments. The premise of our constitutional order is that the Court is supposed to be relatively untouched by outside pressures -- so deliberately attempting to bring outside pressures to bear (even if there's not much pressure involved -- the justices are in court, not looking out their windows) strikes me as wrong-headed. Everyone now does it, but is participating just contributing to the further demise of constitutional order?  Plus, by the time a question like this gets to the Court we're all in God's hands and there's nothing more anyone can do. The time for demonstrating and arguing was during the election cycle, not now, when nothing anyone says or does is going to change the minds of any of the justices. A good argument can be made that everyone on both sides was just making noise. (And the fact that this is Holy Week definitely contributed to my impression that all of the energy of the past two days has been just that: the unruly mob crying "Crucify Him, Crucify Him" and Christ looking with pity on us all and uttering, "Father, forgive them, they know not what they do.")

On the third hand, when people try to do a good thing and they're doing it against the zeitgeist, you stand with them, you don't nitpick all the things you would have done differently and better. The third hand argument won out in the end.

As I said, I arrived for the rally before the rally-ers returned. There was a Christian rock group playing and I snapped a few shots of people beginning to gather:









Then the marchers started to return, led by a TFP marching band:

And they started to fill in the rally space:



Note the little French group. When the French rallied a week or two ago in Paris, French citizens all over the world were invited to gather and send pictures of themselves in virtual support of marriage. That's what this was about -- a few Frenchies joining us and virtually joining their confreres. (I want to think more about why it is the French, for all their corruption, turn out to be better defenders of marriage than the anglos, whether Brit or American. Suspect it has something to do with Anglo puritanism and fear of the body -- we have a hang-up about the Incarnation. "Vive la difference" turns out to be a powerful cultural anchor. But that's too much for this post.)

There were between 10,000 & 15,000 pro-marriage demonstrators in the end.

Mixed feelings about the rally. I am glad it took place -- I participated for heaven's sake!-- and I am grateful to the organizers for putting it on. There's a risk at the start of a movement, when it is fragile, of being so critical you crush a tender plant and I don't want to be Negative Nellie. I liked the peaceful, prayerful, friendly spirit of the crowd. The rally was well-organized, nicely paced and they kept the tone positive.

On the other hand, this is a debate over CIVIL marriage -- and many of the speakers did not seem to understand that. They talk about biblical marriage and God's plan -- things I affirm, but which are not directly relevant to the civil law. It's quite difficult to make the case to our non-believing fellow citizens that we are not simply shoving our religion down their throats when most of the speakers at the rally had only religious arguments to offer.

While the crowd was welcoming, I'm not certain passers-by would have thought so. At one point, Bishop Harry Jackson, an important leader among the black churches, a man I admire and who is terrific in insisting that a marriage culture is the key to relieving most of the problems of the inner city -- the poverty, the crime, etc.-- He had us chant three times from a Psalm: "Let God arise and may his enemies be scattered!"  The crowd knew from context that it was a prayer for the wisdom of the justices. But any gay person or persuadable person walking by would surely have thought we were calling on God to smite the homosexuals. Was that helpful when the Obama administration is arguing that the ONLY reason for not granting gay marriage is anti-gay animus: that traditional philosophical, rational humanist, Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu and Buddhist thought is all out to get the gays and nothing more?

Moreover, most of the speakers talked about marriage as if most Americans are married and never divorced. Nothing hateful was said, but I didn't hear a lot of reaching out to persuade. Maybe that's not really the point of a rally, which is to strengthen troops, but it would be good to give people better arguments.

I have been shocked over the past year to see that no one understands civil marriage any longer -- which is why the past few days many, many of my Catholic and Christian friends on facebook have "come out" for gay marriage. They haven't necessarily changed their moral opinion of homosexuality (tho' many have); but they see it as a private religious opinion. What they've adopted is the libertarian view that marriage is an exclusively religious act and the law should stay out of it altogether. There is ZERO understanding of the legal chaos and the harm to children that will be done by the redefinition of marriage, or that marriage is a civil institution that pre-dates the Church. And there is ZERO understanding of the threat to religious liberty and federalism by the courts stepping into this matter -- libertarians should be horrified, not going along. (It felt like everyone on FB changed his avatar to those pink equals signs on a red field; then the marriage defenders started putting up crosses in the same colors...which I think actually makes the gay marriage case for them: this is not a civic issue, this is you imposing your religious belief on me. So I was just disheartened by EVERYONE yesterday. If we lose the cultural battle, it will be because of the stupidity of the marriage defenders, and the inability of anyone on either side to examine honestly the legal implications of the cases here. How many of the people who changed their avatars to equals signs or crosses yesterday could articulate the legal questions involved in either of the two marriage cases? Doubtful anyone could. Everyone was just enjoying the feeling of righteousness, whatever that happened to be for them.)

Some of the speakers did understand this -- the "professional" marriage defenders like Jennifer Roback Morse of the Ruth Institute, for example. But I felt their message was drowned by the religious speakers. There were more state and local political leaders than clergy addressing the crowd, but their arguments were religious, not secular or legal -- and therefore not accessible to people who disagree.

The only speaker whose message and tone I thought was pitch-perfect was the very first one: Archbishop Cordileone, the RC bishops' point man for defense of marriage. Here's the text of his address. 
He was the only one to my mind who:

  1. made a civil case for marriage, showing that it is a public good that serves the unmarried and homosexuals as well 
  2. was loving to homosexuals
  3. spoke within the real context of marriage in America -- where heterosexuals have already made mincemeat of the institution
A fine example, in other words, of how one begins to re-build a marriage culture in the midst of a people who have no idea what that is even in the cases where they support it!  His opener:

I want begin with a word to those who disagree with us on this issue and may be watching us right now: we love you, we are your neighbors, and we want to be your friends, and we want you to be happy.
Please understand that we don’t hate you, and that we are not motivated by animus or bigotry; it is not our intention to offend anyone, and if we have, I apologize; please try to listen to us fairly, and calmly, and try to understand us and our position, as we will try to do the same for you.

And:

Why, really, are we here? One simple reason: marriage matters to kids. It’s the simple principle that children deserve a mother and a father, and that society needs an institution that connects children to their parents. What could be more beautiful, or even more sacred, than a man and a woman coming together to create new life? Marriage is the only institution that does this, that connects children to their parents and parents to their children and to each other.
Sometimes that isn’t possible, sometimes due to circumstances beyond people’s control the ideal doesn’t happen. Those parents, too, need and deserve our love and support. This isn’t about parenting skills, though; we know that sometimes kids can do well in less-than-ideal circumstances. Rather, it’s about rebuilding a marriage culture, which begins – certainly doesn’t end! – with preserving in the law the principle that children deserve a mother and a father, and that society should do everything it can, and offer all necessary support, to help insure that children get what they deserve. Only a man can be a father and only a woman can be a mother, and children need both, and no matter how happy their childhood may be, to grow up without one or the other is always a deprivation. This is not discrimination; on the contrary, marriage benefits everyone, including those of us who are not married and those who disagree with us.

That's how we have to talk, seems to me. And forgive me for saying so, but our Protestant brothers and sisters are not much help where rhetoric is concerned. Not trying to write anyone out of the movement - all hands on deck! And certainly Christians and other believers need to look inward and ask themselves some hard questions about how they themselves are living out their creed. It's appropriate for Christians to motivate Christians to give a better testimony. (See Msgr. Pope for a stern jeremiad, for example -- but he's talking to Christians about their Christianity, not making a public argument.) But you simply can't defend the civil institution of marriage by preaching about Christian matrimony. They are separate phenomena -- and conflating them actually hastens acceptance of gay marriage, because it further undermines understanding of the importance and value of civil marriage. 

Then there was this footage of the 11-year-old girl testifying before the MN legislature, which played for the rally too. It's been making the rounds on social media and people seem to think it proves something. She asked the legislators: which don't I need -- my mom or my dad? It's a good question, but I can't decide whether this is an instance of being wise as serpents (fighting emotionalism w/ emotionalism) or our side stooping to be as manipulative as the other side. She's 11. Will she still be pro-marriage after college? What would we think if the other side used an 11-year old child of a same-sex marriage couple to complain that if her bio-parent died, the law would take her from her "other mommy"?


There were some young people in the crowd. Maybe 20%? And the organizers are young --it's their intiative. But the crowd skewed much older than, say, the March for Life and we are fooling ourselves if we think otherwise. It's heartening that the heads of all the pro-marriage groups are young (even the Gray Lady has noticed!), but there was a lot of gray hair and middle-aged spread in the crowd.

Not saying that to be a downer. Considering this was thrown together in about 6 weeks, it was an excellent first effort. I'm just saying we have to build, and we mustn't fool ourselves with pieties about the youth really being with us but the press won't cover it.

Some excellent links on this topic:

George Weigel at his best: on Reality and National Policy. He says better what I was getting at here.
Rich Lowry on how the court may create another Roe by circumventing the political process.
The Red Herring of Marriage Equality
Transcript of oral argument in U.S. v. Windsor (DOMA case)
Transcript of oral argument in Hollingsworth v Perry (Prop 8 case)
What is Marriage?

Update: See also Pushing Catholics Out the Door. Don't agree with it in every respect (the gay man's complaint that his mentors let him down is true and poignant, but it also says too much. It is asking too much of anyone that he never have a low moment, a thoughtless moment, a blind spot -- and his conclusion, that you can't rely on anyone but God is, properly understood, not a cause for disillusionment, but a purification of faith and an opportunity to be more loving and understanding of everyone -- rigid people are wounded and need love and understanding as much as homosexuals! ), but I completely agree with this:
The media has loved framing this as a Gays vs. Christians debate. I just don’t understand why Christians are so eager to frame it the same way.